Group wall: Christmas Haters!§↻

I really think this group should be deleted

That’s what I asked them!!!!! 🤔

why did you create a group saying you hate Cristmas and Easter . Jesus was born and we celebrate that on Cristmas , then Jesus rose from the dead on easter

Thank you for the answer, Lne. And good question, DogLover, I'm curious too.

One other question, Why is Easter on the list? It is when Jesus rose from the grave and saved us all.

What I meant is that I believe the Bible. And the at least I try part was supposed to mean that I at least try to obey the Bible. Sorry it was so confusing.

Lne, I hope we haven't offended you. I understand now that you are not against Christmas. :)
I would like to know why you said you try to believe in the Bible, that's a curious way of putting it.

One last question………. Why do u mean when you say u try, to believe in the Bible? Can’t u just believe?

Also, I can see why you misunderstood the post where I asked WHY?. I was not responding to the posts by you, Calli2022, and Snapple Lover. Instead, I was reacting to the posts by the members of this group, such as VirtuousPurity and JoshuaAdamHartinger. Once again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

DogLover, I was never a member of this group nor do I intend to join it in the future. I came here in the first place because I saw the link on the Ideas and Debates Directory Group. When I read the posts on here I disagreed with what this group stands for, and so I posted my opinions. I am sorry you misunderstood me.

Then why on ur description does it say…. HATE IT WITH GREAT PASSION?

@DogLover, I do trust trust what the Bible says, or at least I try. Where in the Bible does it say anything about Jesus's birth being in December? Also, remember, I am not going against Christmas.

Agreed @Carla_Bryant.

Yes, I yet again agree with everything that Clara_Bryant just said. Even if he was not born on the 25th we should not make this a time of evil.

Even if He wasn't born on the 25th, which he might not have been, I think that you bring good out of something that others meant for evil. It happened in the Bible itself, to Joseph. What his brothers meant for evil, God used for good. God can use anything to further his kingdom. Even pagan holidays; they don't have to be pagan. In my culture, a Christian culture, Christmas is a time of year to celebrate Jesus' birth.

Lne, How do u know that he was not born on the 25th, God had people record this so you should just trust what the Bible says. I agree with Carla_Bryant, can’t you see the good we get from it?

can't you see the good that christians get from Christmas?

Also, VirtuousPurity says earlier that REAL Christians read the King James Bible. What is it that make the KJV "better" than all the other translations? It wasn't the original bible even, and it was printed by a king that was not exactly a good person in order to make a translation printed by a true Christian less popular!

I am totally on the side of celebrating Christmas. But, it appears to me that people on both sides need to calm down a little.
Be patient with the brethren as per Romans 14. 1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
I know that Jesus was not born on December 25, but we don't know exactly when he was born. Because of that Christians just chose to celebrate His birth on that date.

WHY?

Yes, this is sad 😢

Yes I agree with SnappleLover, that is 😢

I don’t know why you would hate Christmas since it is when Jesus is born. 😢

Part two of my post: If you take into consideration that some of us have genuinely used Christmas as a way to remember Jesus birth (given it may or may not be on the exact date of Jesus's birth) it can be a good thing.
It is also a good thing because family gets together! Look up Matthew 18:20

I just want to point out that, when somebody actually celebrates Christmas and Easter and truly try to make it a time for family and remembering Jesus, then it, in my opinion, is a good thing. On the other hand, halloween is downright evil! Halloween is a devious trick of the enemy, a stumbling block for many people.

Very good, jesus_wept, the_a-team2, and sts1111. I couldn't have said it better myself! (Sorry, trite and overused saying)

@sts1111 & @jesus_wept -- same

@jesus_wept -- I couldn't have said it better myself!

I see and respect your point of view, and I also know that holidays like this have pagan roots. Take Halloween for instance, It originally started in Europe as the day when evil spirits came out to haunt their relatives. Even though Easter has in the modern age gone completely wild, according to my knowledge, in the time frame between being a crazy pagan holiday and the modern Easter bunny, which as you might expect, I don't believe in, it was an innocent way to remember Jesus' trip through Jerusalem and the events that took place that day. We must be careful of others opinions though. I do know you guys are making some pretty solid scripture based arguments. I will likely do some more research on this topic.😃

Are you against celebrating birthdays, Babe_In_Christ?

What does the Word of God say about birthdays? http://remnantofgod.org/birthdays.htm

The Bible says in:

Jeremiah 10:2
"Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them."

If you take the time to study this out, there are pagans who will clearly state that they are mad at Christians because they are taking over their "holy" day.

And still you have Christians trying to say:
"Let's put Christ back in Christmas."

Jesus was NEVER in Christmas, and he never will be.
Even though Christians like to say it is of Christ, it is not.

the roman catholic church is not the final authority, but the Bible is. They have many false doctrines. they used to kill Christians and burn them at the stake for not being apart of "The Mother Church". they are far from being the final authority. Christmas is a Joke. it has nothing to do with Christ at all. Look at this verse:

Revelation 11:10

And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

sounds a lot like Christmas doesn't it?

and notice the verse says:

"and make merry"

what do people say?

"merry Christmas"

the Bible says also in:

Ecclesiastes 7:1
A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth.

notice people go more crazy over Christmas then they do Easter. (Not trying to say Easter is good either.)

you will never find Christmas as a good thing in the Bible. Why?
Because it's not good.

it is the way of the heathen. and not of God. some dumb Christians decided to make dec.25th Jesus's birthday, when it is not. (it is baals birthday.) when Dinah went out to see the daughters of the land what happened? ALOT of trouble. all because she wanted to see what the daughters of the land were doing.

and one last thing, we are not at all trying to say that the birth of Christ is a bad thing but how people now day's celebrate it and do it on a pagan day is wrong.

Look up "Mithras" then you will understand why christmas should not be celebrated.

Good words, Brother Joshua. I wholly agree.

And kiwimatt, I almost appreciate the fact that you've still decided to post, even after declaring in your SECOND TO LAST post that you would "not be posting again." Lol
Anyway, when you said that that has the meaning of "Mission," what sort of "mission" would a catholic have? Drinking, and getting drunk? Sinning all they want to, then pretending to be the most holy being on planet earth when the time calls them to be (such as when their sin is being called out, or when involved in every other Catholic activity [that doesn't even come remotely close to being biblically accurate])? Because all I've ever seen them teach (pointing to the verse you used immediately after mentioning the whole "Mission" thing) is that it's okay to be like what I have just pointed out.
"Or from the Anglican communion 'Go in peace to serve the Lord'"....Seriously? This statement is laughable at best. For one, when this is said, the congregation replies with, "Thanks be to God." Which, of course, seems rather humorous to me, because to me they're basically saying "Thanks be to God that I can sin all I want to now." Since it's rather late, I can get into more detail later if it's really necessary. I just don't understand how blind people can be to the fact that Catholics don't strive to actually live holy and absolutely pure. Catholics do NOT have power over sin because they are not born AGAIN. Period.

Finally, this message is to Lasher. Never have I mentioned that I wanted you to leave. Stay and argue all you want to. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. But seriously, this is a LOVING warning, Christmas celebration is most certainly something to reconsider. And I'm also sorry that you will still continue to practically worship this holiday, even after the light has been shown to you.

Ok, since you want so bad for me to go away I will, but that does NOT mean I will change my ways! I still believe what I always have. And you can believe what you want, I'm not stopping you, but you won't change my mind! But I still will never understand how you see Christmas as a bad thing.

Luke

I agree that everything must be supported by Scripture. The best argument against celebrating Christmas is the Regulative Principle which governs all our worship. Unlike sacraments like baptism and the Lord's Supper which we are commanded to observe, we have no such directive to celebrate Christmas. The argument over the meaning of the word Mass is interesting. As the previous poster says, the term "Mass" is derived from the Late Latin word missa (dismissal), used to conclude the Mass with the phrase: "Ite, missa est" ("Go; it is the dismissal"). It has the meaning of 'Mission' Go ye therefore into all the world, teaching all men...' Or from the Anglican communion 'Go in peace to serve the Lord'. I'm not convinced that you can, therefore, interpret the term dismissal out of context in its literal, modern day sense.

One thing that you will need to notice is the fact that whenever you say "Merry Christmas." you should think of what you are saying. Merry means "Happy" and Mass means "dismissal." And if you put it all together you are saying "Happy dismissal of Christ." Take heed and think before you speak. as Christians we are to study out everything. The Bible says that "a righteous man judgeth all things." and all things, means all things. And before you comment, Make sure that whatever you are going to say you are able to back it up 100% with the Bible. And if it is not, you might as well not comment. Because we have the Bible to Back up what we say. And the word of God is powerful. And one thing I want to make clear is that we are not saying that if you celebrate Christmas then you are going to Hell. But we are saying that you will be more in the will of God if you do not celebrate it. I urge everyone to study out what they believe and have Bible to back it up at all times.

Just to clarify, if you want to argue, just keep in mind that we know exactly what goes on behind this holiday, and even if you DID have a good argument, we WILL NOT be convinced, because we still know what we're talking about. I didn't put this up there just to make people mad and get all offended about it. I will say this again: this is for Christmas HATERS, not Christmas LOVERS. I made this group for other people who are like-minded in this area, and the reason I have this public is because there might be other people I didn't know about that just might have wanted to join. I'm not saying I don't want you to argue, and that I want you to leave this group alone, because, hey, I'm up for a good argument, if you're actually sincere in your questions!

I'm just trying to make it clear that we WILL defend what we believe, even if you do have a "better" argument than us.

Well, the "is something wrong with you" part shouldn't have been taken so personally, but take it how you will. (I wasn't exactly aiming for the intelligence, to begin with, though.)

But, aside from that, I've noticed that what you consider being a Christian is just go to church and pray. Sadly, that's what every other carnal "christian" thinks themselves, therefore proving what the world has come to in this day. There is a MUCH bigger category of requirements of being a christian than that. (For example, Ecc. 12:13 would be one of the many things God shows us.)

And as to what kind of Christian we are, I can just point to what Joshua had said. We are non-denominational, as we only call ourselves Christians. Most people would think we are strange because we don't name ourselves (like how they didn't name themselves in the bible), meet in homes (like they did in the bible), and are remnant minded Christians that only follow the bible (if you don't believe it, then try to shoot holes in our doctrine - we're covered, shoot away). But the truth is, they just don't worship God with all their heart, soul, and mind, as required in Deut. 6:5, therefore making them not as zealous for God as much as they should be.

And as to how would we give gifts to Jesus? Well, the whole iPhone thing was just meant for a laugh, in the first place. But honestly, you don't know how to give a gift to God? Easy. You give yourself to Him. But seeing that most people are not willing to do so, and make it look like a dumb thing to do, you might as well think the same thing, as you already don't know how to give a gift to Him anyway.

As for your statements about the bible being inaccurate in it's translated form, ye do greatly err, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God. God is ABLE to not only inspire the scriptures, but preserve them, even from one language to another. Consider the fact that when a NT writer quoted the OT, they were translating from Hebrew to Greek (in most cases). So, when they wrote the originals and quoted the OT, was it not PERFECT? Of course it was, and all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable.... Believest thou this?