Being the founder, I think it would be best if I started.
I live in Iowa, USA. Most of the people in my area are farmers. If you would, please pray that the weather would cooperate, and that they can get into the fields.
It has been cold and warm, wet and dry in the last several months. Winter won't end and the fields can be too wet to work with. There has been little planting and field working because of the weather. It is very late for this kind of thing.
Exactly. At first, I was wary of the point and award system, because I don't really like the idea of learning verses for the sake of getting a badge or title. I have been in places where that has gone to far. But if used correctly, it can be something that can encourage you in your memorizing, knowing that you are getting better. Again, thanks guys, you're the best. Jappel
Goodbye, joosep. I'm sorry that I started something that got offensive toward you. We have closed the discussion because we have come toward our conclusion. God Bless. Jappel
Just don't give up. The daily streak is a nice little thing to work towards, but it isn't the main goal here. I kept giving up after breaking a streak, and I wish I would have kept with it anyway. :) So now I'm back.
Congratulations! I agree with FinalAsgard. Habits don't have to be "all or nothing". I enjoy seeing the boxes fill up on my dashboard, but the point is making God's Word a priority.
Exactly. At first, I was wary of the point and award system, because I don't really like the idea of learning verses for the sake of getting a badge or title. I have been in places where that has gone to far. But if used correctly, it can be something that can encourage you in your memorizing, knowing that you are getting better. Again, thanks guys, you're the best. Jappel
Those are good actions, and I plan on doing a few of them. But I would like to question your first paragraph. This may not relate to the topic. But you said that if the Jewish authorities had listened to Nicodemus things would have changed. If that did happen, what do you think would have happened?
You see, that is the thing. Why is that missing. Say that the KJV is the original, and that the ESV was the good, newer translation of the KJV. If it is "just" an upgrade into modern English as you say, FA, Why are things missing. Like I said earlier. People only hear what they want to hear (Don't take this as going at you) and the translators and penmen of the ESV had a reason for leaving verses or parts of verses (like Rom. 8:1 and Acts 8:37) out. Why, because they didn't like what those verses had to say. It was intolerable, and demanding, and judging, and true. Why don't we like fences and rules, because they keep us in line. When we try to take away these rules, some serious consequences can ensue.
Rev. 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (KJV)
Deut. 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. (KJV)
FinalAsgard, You said that the old English is hard to understand because we don't speak a lot of those word. But thou art wrong a bit when it comes to that. If you do some research, you will find that the "old" KJV is known to be easier to understand than newer translation, simply because it is authentic. When you say we need new material because it is old, don't you think that it is a bit of a compromise? Nothing against newer stuff, but our modern, newer world isn't getting better is it? New philosophies, new cults, new trends, bad is good and good is bad...many things are not getting better because they are getting newer.
@onfire247, You pretty much answered my question. I know some people that believe or hold to the Lost Gospels. One lady was explaining that Judas Iscariot was commanded to betray Christ. I don't believe so. She said in the Gospel of Judas, he tells that Jesus begged him to betray himself. I don't believe any of that. That is not how our loving savior works. Personally, I believe that the Lost Gospels are, like you said, historical finds, but were never meant to be put in the Bible. If they were supposed to, Almighty God would have put them in.
Thank you for your time, all of you guys, I am sorry if I have started a debate that never should have been started. I was just curious what others opinions are, but it got a little out of hand.
And I agree with you FA, there are people that are mad about being KJV only, and they break up relationships because of that. I will say that I am KJV only. But I'm not going to shove it down someone's throat. I will just give the reasons why I believe it to be the right translation, and give info saying that others are not quite right. I am open to others saying the exact opposite, that is why I made this group. To give you reasons and back them up by sometimes putting down others.
If you don't think this is something you should be of, that is fine, I won't criticize your decision, because that is your right.
I want to ask you a question, onfire247. Do you believe in the Lost Gospels? If you think this is too personal, don't answer. But your comment seems to indicate toward it.
Exactly Saintman, When you mentioned Wescott and Hort, it jogged my memory of an illustration my Youth Leader gave concerning the KJV vs. WaH versions.
"Say that I went to a youth conference, and I met a girl that I KNEW was the ONE. (Go ahead and laugh but it does get serious) Only thing was, she is French, so she only speaks French. Well I get her address and send her a letter, months later (again, she lives in France) I get a letter from her. I am ecstatic, but I can't read it. But a buddy of mine knew French like the back of his hands. It is his second language you could say. Well I give it to him and he interprets it word for word and then gives it back to me."
That is the KJV, a direct interpretation of a non-corrupted letter. Back to the story:
"Well I send her another letter and wait for a response. Another letter comes, only it got stuck at the P. O. and I had to go get it from there. While the letter was at the P. O. a girl that I know that works there, saw the letter, and got jealous, because she like me too. She knows French too, and she changes some things in the letter (I know, horrible) She than puts the letter back in the envelope, puts everything back into place, and puts it on the counter waiting for me to arrive. When I finally get the letter, I still need an interpreter. My buddy is out on vaca, but I meet a guy that knows French (He only took a year of it though) He interprets it, but not word for word, he just interprets it according to what he thinks works best. I get the letter back, and life goes on.
This is and illustration of the Wescott and Hort versions. They are and indirect interpretaion of a corrupt letter.
I think that it fits perfectly. The thing is, people want something that is a bit less demanding, that is newer, and that fits with what THEY want. You think of the Jefferson's Bible. Would you call it the Bible when it only has what a certain person wants to hear.
I know, long winded, but I think this is very appropriate to what we are discussing.
I totally understand where you are getting at joosep! That's why I created the other group so that things like this wouldn't happen. I am sorry if I have done something to offend you.
These are great statements. Obviously you have done a lot of study in this subject. Saintman, please be careful, I have set this group up to discuss, not attack. Please forgive me for being a bit defensive when you out rightly said the KJV is corrupt. I agree that we should be in search of the truth, and Onfire said that well.
I will put up a reminder that this group is for discussion, not aggression towards other versions.
Since you seem to have a great knowledge on this subject, why don't you join join the Bible Translations group. I set this group up so that people can say their piece, and not upset others when they do it in a group that isn't "meant for that. Not saying that this may upset people in this group, but to that we have a place to exclusively talk about this somewhat touchy subject.
My preferred translation is the King James Version. One reason I will give now, unless asked for more, and that is a certain verse that is not found in most other versions. Here is Acts 8:34-39 as found in the KJV.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
I ask you to look in the version you use, and see if verse 37 is in there. Thank you for your time for those that have read this.
Hi, this is Jappel. I have made a group for people to give their reasons behind the Bible Translations they use. If you think that this is worthy of The Idea and Debate Directory, I would be honored of you could put it up. https://learnscripture.net/groups/bible-translations/?from=Jappel ///////// Bible Translations Debate