And kiwimatt, I almost appreciate the fact that you've still decided to post, even after declaring in your SECOND TO LAST post that you would "not be posting again." Lol Anyway, when you said that that has the meaning of "Mission," what sort of "mission" would a catholic have? Drinking, and getting drunk? Sinning all they want to, then pretending to be the most holy being on planet earth when the time calls them to be (such as when their sin is being called out, or when involved in every other Catholic activity [that doesn't even come remotely close to being biblically accurate])? Because all I've ever seen them teach (pointing to the verse you used immediately after mentioning the whole "Mission" thing) is that it's okay to be like what I have just pointed out. "Or from the Anglican communion 'Go in peace to serve the Lord'"....Seriously? This statement is laughable at best. For one, when this is said, the congregation replies with, "Thanks be to God." Which, of course, seems rather humorous to me, because to me they're basically saying "Thanks be to God that I can sin all I want to now." Since it's rather late, I can get into more detail later if it's really necessary. I just don't understand how blind people can be to the fact that Catholics don't strive to actually live holy and absolutely pure. Catholics do NOT have power over sin because they are not born AGAIN. Period.
Finally, this message is to Lasher. Never have I mentioned that I wanted you to leave. Stay and argue all you want to. I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. But seriously, this is a LOVING warning, Christmas celebration is most certainly something to reconsider. And I'm also sorry that you will still continue to practically worship this holiday, even after the light has been shown to you.
Just to clarify, if you want to argue, just keep in mind that we know exactly what goes on behind this holiday, and even if you DID have a good argument, we WILL NOT be convinced, because we still know what we're talking about. I didn't put this up there just to make people mad and get all offended about it. I will say this again: this is for Christmas HATERS, not Christmas LOVERS. I made this group for other people who are like-minded in this area, and the reason I have this public is because there might be other people I didn't know about that just might have wanted to join. I'm not saying I don't want you to argue, and that I want you to leave this group alone, because, hey, I'm up for a good argument, if you're actually sincere in your questions!
I'm just trying to make it clear that we WILL defend what we believe, even if you do have a "better" argument than us.
Well, the "is something wrong with you" part shouldn't have been taken so personally, but take it how you will. (I wasn't exactly aiming for the intelligence, to begin with, though.)
But, aside from that, I've noticed that what you consider being a Christian is just go to church and pray. Sadly, that's what every other carnal "christian" thinks themselves, therefore proving what the world has come to in this day. There is a MUCH bigger category of requirements of being a christian than that. (For example, Ecc. 12:13 would be one of the many things God shows us.)
And as to what kind of Christian we are, I can just point to what Joshua had said. We are non-denominational, as we only call ourselves Christians. Most people would think we are strange because we don't name ourselves (like how they didn't name themselves in the bible), meet in homes (like they did in the bible), and are remnant minded Christians that only follow the bible (if you don't believe it, then try to shoot holes in our doctrine - we're covered, shoot away). But the truth is, they just don't worship God with all their heart, soul, and mind, as required in Deut. 6:5, therefore making them not as zealous for God as much as they should be.
And as to how would we give gifts to Jesus? Well, the whole iPhone thing was just meant for a laugh, in the first place. But honestly, you don't know how to give a gift to God? Easy. You give yourself to Him. But seeing that most people are not willing to do so, and make it look like a dumb thing to do, you might as well think the same thing, as you already don't know how to give a gift to Him anyway.
As for your statements about the bible being inaccurate in it's translated form, ye do greatly err, not knowing the scriptures nor the power of God. God is ABLE to not only inspire the scriptures, but preserve them, even from one language to another. Consider the fact that when a NT writer quoted the OT, they were translating from Hebrew to Greek (in most cases). So, when they wrote the originals and quoted the OT, was it not PERFECT? Of course it was, and all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable.... Believest thou this?
For one, I don't mean to be offensive, but is something wrong with you?? Not once have I EVER seen a catholic use the same book as a REAL Christian. Because, a REAL Christian reads out of the KING JAMES BIBLE. And not once have I ever seen or even HEARD of any Roman Catholic use that book, but only a corrupt version of the Bible. Catholics don't read their bibles anyway, they just lean on their priest to teach them. Catholics tried to keep bibles out of the people's hands for centuries because they knew if people read the scriptures for themselves that they would not believe the lies they were selling.
However, about the protestant thing, I'm assuming you're implying that we're protestants. Sorry, but we're neither Protestant or Catholic, as we believe BOTH are wrong in many areas. Catholicism is a CULT and most Protestants didn't fall far from the Catholic tree and still have many roots in that wicked system. They were called Christians first in Antioch, so true Christians predate Catholics by over 300 years and there has ALWAYS been a remnant of true, sold out Christians (Romans 11:4-5). So any christian thing from before the last centuries was certainly NOT done by Catholics, because Catholics are not even Christians. Mary and pope worship (Mat. 4:10 & Job 32:21-22), praying to dead saints (Phil. 4:6), taking the mass (which is an absolute abomination to God Ecc. 7:1 & Jn. 19:30), confessing sins to a priest (1 Jn. 1:9 & Mat. 23:9), purgatory (Luke 16:19-31)... ALL unscriptural, ungodly, wicked practices. Just add Christmas to that list. It is just as unbiblical as all those things.
You can nail down the birth date of Jesus to around September based off of the time when John the Baptist was conceived (right after the course of Abia - Luke 1:5) which corresponds to late June. Add 6 months to that (conception of Jesus - Luke 1:36) and you are looking at late December for Jesus conception. Now add 9 months to that and you end up in late September. So the date is definitely wrong but that is not the ONLY reason we reject the holiday. God told us not to learn the way of the heathen (Jer. 10:4). He never said not to learn the WHY of the heathen. It doesn't matter WHY you try to worship God by celebrating Christmas because it is worshiping God in the WAY of the heathen (xmas trees complete with little Baal sun orbs and a star on top, yule logs, mistletoe, wreaths, covetousness abounding, gluttony, unscriptural Christmas hymns which are some of the most doctrinally unsound hymns in the book, etc.)
Eze. 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
Isa. 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
You said that the atheist was doing "the Christian christmas just without the christian elements like church and whatnot". Funny that church is the only example you came up with because other than assembling with believers which should be a WEEKLY/daily thing (Hebrews 10:25), there is really nothing else that is done around this time that could be considered Christian.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Luk 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
By the way, you don't even need to use the bible to debunk Christmass since it's NOT biblical to begin with. As far as your references to assembling with other believers (2 Corinthians 9:6 (verses onwards from there), 1 Thessalonians 5:11, Hebrews 10:25, and Psalm 150:1-6), how do those even apply to the Christ mass? Believers should be living those verses out every day of the year, not just on Baal's birthday (the winter solstice).
So, just what present are you giving Jesus on His "birthday" this year? Or will you be receiving gifts instead? What other birthday do you celebrate where the only one that doesn't get any gifts is the one whose birthday (it supposedly) is? Maybe he'd like a new iPhone?
Jer. 33:3 CALL unto me, and I will ANSWER thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
What I mean is that we don't hate Christ's birth, but Christmas means DEATH of Christ. Christ mass is really a Roman Catholic Pagan holiday based off of Baal worship.
Thank you Joshua and Grace, for defending this group!
And to the people who have came against this group, please, just simply leave. This group was for Christmas HATERS, not Christmas LOVERS. Although I do understand the fact that you only want to defend what you believe is true, I just can't stand the fact that you guys celebrate this. It's blatantly pagan and I don't see how Jeremiah 10: 2-4 DOESN'T point to a Baal Bush.
But anyway, sorry for butting in, I wouldn't have if the computer hadn't made it such a problem. But goodnight bro, and tell the parents and the other three I said goodnight! (I'm not really going to bed, I just have to focus on revising my verses. XD)
All's well. It mainly is the computer that exaggerates every little thing that goes on in the news feed, so it really isn't exactly your fault, it's the computer's.
It's fine, if I were using any other computer it'd be alright but I'm using my aunt's computer and it messes up on every little thing which is TOTALLY annoying. :/