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We don't name ourselves after men. But after Christ. were none denominational.

That's what everyone says. I'm interested in what you call it.

We are bible believing Christians.

And for whether or not something is wrong with me.
No, I have numerous intellectual achievements I could list if needed. However whether or not something is wrong with someone should not effect how you treat someone in the first place.

As any bilingual person will tell you, there can normally be numerous translations. So go any by any bible not in its original language will yield inaccuracies. Making the idea of discriminating against an english bible ridiculous (I'm going to assume you're natively english).
Also, just as I'm interested in doing some more research into your beliefs what type of christian are you?
Not gonna even try and defend catholics as I never liked the saint thing anyway.
Faulting christmas purely because it is catholic, pretty sure that is an ad hominem fallacy against catholics.
Church is the only bit of christmas that only christians do, atheists aren't just hermits who sit around all day wearing fedoras. They do pretty much everything theists do except go to church and pray.
Most christians who go to church on christmas do church weekly as well. Except for those who are disabled who cannot attend weekly will often try and attend church on holidays like christmas.
How would you give a gift to jesus though? I know many people who I communicate with primarily through the internet and not through physical means. I can't give them something physical, so I merely tell them happy birthday and try to be extra nice to them that day.

For one, I don't mean to be offensive, but is something wrong with you?? Not once have I EVER seen a catholic use the same book as a REAL Christian. Because, a REAL Christian reads out of the KING JAMES BIBLE. And not once have I ever seen or even HEARD of any Roman Catholic use that book, but only a corrupt version of the Bible. Catholics don't read their bibles anyway, they just lean on their priest to teach them. Catholics tried to keep bibles out of the people's hands for centuries because they knew if people read the scriptures for themselves that they would not believe the lies they were selling.

However, about the protestant thing, I'm assuming you're implying that we're protestants. Sorry, but we're neither Protestant or Catholic, as we believe BOTH are wrong in many areas. Catholicism is a CULT and most Protestants didn't fall far from the Catholic tree and still have many roots in that wicked system. They were called Christians first in Antioch, so true Christians predate Catholics by over 300 years and there has ALWAYS been a remnant of true, sold out Christians (Romans 11:4-5). So any christian thing from before the last centuries was certainly NOT done by Catholics, because Catholics are not even Christians. Mary and pope worship (Mat. 4:10 & Job 32:21-22), praying to dead saints (Phil. 4:6), taking the mass (which is an absolute abomination to God Ecc. 7:1 & Jn. 19:30), confessing sins to a priest (1 Jn. 1:9 & Mat. 23:9), purgatory (Luke 16:19-31)... ALL unscriptural, ungodly, wicked practices. Just add Christmas to that list. It is just as unbiblical as all those things.

You can nail down the birth date of Jesus to around September based off of the time when John the Baptist was conceived (right after the course of Abia - Luke 1:5) which corresponds to late June. Add 6 months to that (conception of Jesus - Luke 1:36) and you are looking at late December for Jesus conception. Now add 9 months to that and you end up in late September. So the date is definitely wrong but that is not the ONLY reason we reject the holiday. God told us not to learn the way of the heathen (Jer. 10:4). He never said not to learn the WHY of the heathen. It doesn't matter WHY you try to worship God by celebrating Christmas because it is worshiping God in the WAY of the heathen (xmas trees complete with little Baal sun orbs and a star on top, yule logs, mistletoe, wreaths, covetousness abounding, gluttony, unscriptural Christmas hymns which are some of the most doctrinally unsound hymns in the book, etc.)

Eze. 44:23 And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

Isa. 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

You said that the atheist was doing "the Christian christmas just without the christian elements like church and whatnot". Funny that church is the only example you came up with because other than assembling with believers which should be a WEEKLY/daily thing (Hebrews 10:25), there is really nothing else that is done around this time that could be considered Christian.

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Luk 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

By the way, you don't even need to use the bible to debunk Christmass since it's NOT biblical to begin with. As far as your references to assembling with other believers (2 Corinthians 9:6 (verses onwards from there), 1 Thessalonians 5:11, Hebrews 10:25, and Psalm 150:1-6), how do those even apply to the Christ mass? Believers should be living those verses out every day of the year, not just on Baal's birthday (the winter solstice).

So, just what present are you giving Jesus on His "birthday" this year? Or will you be receiving gifts instead? What other birthday do you celebrate where the only one that doesn't get any gifts is the one whose birthday (it supposedly) is? Maybe he'd like a new iPhone?

Jer. 33:3 CALL unto me, and I will ANSWER thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.

I'll just skip over longliveKJBs post as it was lacking in several areas.

Born again christians and catholics both go off of the same book (albeit the catholic one having slightly more books in the old testament). Also catholics have been around over a millennia before born again protestants split off of it, so unsurprisingly pretty much any christian thing from before the last centuries was done by catholics.
The "worshipping God in way he did not perscribe" bit I addressed in my last post, complete with scripture refs.
Some of these things you claim it represents appear to be just innacurate. The ones on worldliness seems vaguely right and I can see where that one came from, and possibly idolatry and covetousness as well since it can be applied to most anything. However the bondage and rebellion ones don't seem to apply so elaborate on how they apply please.
And for your final sentence. I always viewed evil as heing something that hurt someone else normally for personal gain.

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I've heard atheists (just gonna address religions individually as the word pagan is too broad and means different things to different people) say that so I understand that completely. However from my experience they are simply doing the Christian christmas just without the christian elements like church and whatnot. Most wouldn't even know of christmases history :P
I likely will look more into this. However on the searching the scriptures bit I'm the only person here who has referenced scripture directly instead of just saying how they interpret parts of the bible.
This whole idea of dismissing a holiday because the date is wrong just seems ridiculous. When the exact date will likely be forever unknown.

*he* I mean the.

Oops! Here's the full thing, And Lasher we don't hate the birth and the death of Jesus Christ at all. Without them we would not even have eternal life but what we hate is how people try to say that Jesus's birthday was December 25th and it was not. People have studied about when Jesus was born and they learned that Jesus's birthday was not in winter. They studied this stuff for years. And God would not of had his son born on a pagan gods birthday anyway. So please just think about this and study it. Thanks for taking he time to read this and I look forward to hearing from you! Sincerely - Joshua

And Lasher, we don't hate the birth and death of Jesus Christ because we

Well, Banthaboss you should look more into December 25. We have pagans today who always say that they are mad at Christians because they are taking away their day, etc... December 25 is the birthday of the pagan god Baal. So you are actually celebrating Baal's birthday. I urge you to look more into this because the Bible tells us we are to search the scriptures and study things out.

Years separate should be *ye separate. Haha. But I would like to be YEARS SEPARATED from the things that God hates like the Christ mass.

Christ mass is Christian in name only like most "Christians" today. Christ mass is a Roman Catholic holy day that a true born again believer has no business celebrating. Saying you are worshipping God but doing it in a way that He never prescribed nor put His approval on is not truly worshipping God, but self. We are told to come out from among them and be years separate, and to not love the world or the things of the world. The season represents worldliness, covetousness, bondage, idolatry, and rebellion. Those all seem like good reasons to "abstain from all appearance of evil", no?

there is nothing Christian about the christ-mas

The average christian christmas that I know of involve giving of gifts, visiting friends and family, attending a christmas church service, and singing hymns.

Here is some scripture on those respectively. 2 Corinthians 9:6 (verses onwards from there), 1 Thessalonians 5:11, Hebrews 10:25, and Psalm 150:1-6.

And I did some more research on the history of christmas, it was originally a week long period of lawlessness in rome which ended on december 25th. Then Christians came along and basically changed everything. There are no bible verses which are about having periods of lawlessness (to my knowledge).

It's not a pig that gets dressed up, it is a broken down house that bit by bit is changed and repaired until it is an entirely new house with some resemblances of the old house.

Amen

It has been said that most people don't even know what they are worshipping at Christmas time. Amen. If they are celebrating the way the world does then they may not know it, but they are worshipping idols. Just because you clean a pig up and put a dress on it, doesn't change the fact that it's a pig. Christ mass is just dressed up paganism, plain and simple. You don't have liberty to worship God any old way you choose. God is looking for people to worship Him in spirit AND in truth. And the truth is, Christianized paganism is still pagainism.

Since the holiday was started by the pagan Catholics, it's no wonder they didn't change it much from its Baal worshipping roots as Catholicism is just repackaged Baal worship at its core. Sure it's more palatable than Satanism but that also makes it more dangerous as the subtlety ends up deceiving more people than blatant Satanism EVER could.

What I mean is that we don't hate Christ's birth, but Christmas means DEATH of Christ. Christ mass is really a Roman Catholic Pagan holiday based off of Baal worship.

We don't know when Jesus birthday is, do we? So we chose a day to celebrate it on instead! And from what I heard, we chose dec 25 because there was already a pagan holiday then. I we wanted to kind of block that out or something

I know that it is not technically Jesus birthday. But was it called Christmas before Christians started celebrating Christs birth? We don't celebrate what the pagans celebrated, do we. We celebrate Christos birth, not the birth of their sun God or something like that!

To make things clear, we wouldn't even hate Christ mass if it really was Jesus' birthday.

no one said celebrating the birth of Christ is pagan its just that pagans STARTED the holiday Christ-mas and so we are against it.

Or BAALmas

Though I agree now days, most people have no idea what they are celebrating, they just think of santa and presents. So really it's up to you whether or not its pagan, if you are celebrating Christ's birth then I don't think it is pagan. After all it is CHRISTmas. Not SUNGODmas

Yes that is what I heard as well, but I am not celibtating the sun gods birth, I'm celebrating Christ's birth!! So I don't think that is pagan.

I personally don't view it as pagan. However as the people in this group view it as pagan I decided just to go with it. Christmas was originally the ancient celebration of the winter (summer if in southern hemisphere) solstice which appears in many old cultures. A certain culture believed this was the day the sun god was born. Christians decided to merge the celebration of Jesus's birth to this day. It is the age old habit which appears numerous times in history, christians taking a non-christian thing and making it christian. Even though Jesus was likely born on a day that wasn't in the december area at all.
Even though it has decidedly pagan roots it's all really down to how you celebrate it.

wow there is a lot of people that hate christmas!!

i know, that last bit was a joke. but could someone please tell me how the birth,death and resurrection of Christ is pagan????

Here in britain the december months are in winter. :)

christmas is celebrating the birth of Christ, easter is his death and resurrection. if you hate the major events in Jesus life then you are nearly saying you hate Jesus. and since Jesus is God, you are practically saying you hate God, and if thats the case, why are you on this site???? i dont think of CHRISTmas of a pagan holiday because it is celibrating the birth of christ!!!!! how is that pagen???? i heard that Dec 25 used to be a pagan holiday and we celibrate that as christmas to drown that out or something. Also, christmas is not cold, it is in the middle of summer, and is usially about 30-40 degrees Celsius!!!!

Before the age of 18 there is a more than 10% chance someone have depression. Happiness that does not harm you is a good reason and helps keep that number from getting any larger.

just cause people are happy in this pagan holiday doesn't mean its a good holiday for people to celibrate

wow

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Why would you hate Christmas because it is pagan? Christmas is an enjoyable holiday which adds happiness to the cold winter months and is recognized in many countries (meaning that most people get a day off work to celebrate it, making it easier to celebrate) which is another good thing.

But why would you hate a holiday because it is pagan? Many important things in almost all industries were created by pagans. Things that save and increase lives. Are they bad because they are pagan? Of course not.

Also, here are the pros and cons of celebrating christmas

Pros:
Enjoyment, in the christmas spirit it is hard for your hopes not to be raised when giving and receiving presents, spending good time with family and friends, and pretty much every christmas thing involves getting happy.
Getting out, around christmas there are numerous social events that happen. These involve carolling, christmas dinners, and for those in musical groups getting together to play christmas music. This helps combat depression and other mental illnesses.

Cons:
Calories, around christmas the eating is intense, this causes a gain in weight.

Pros and cons of not celebrating christmas.

Pros:
You feel more holy than the next person. This causes a "holier than thou" attitude which clouds judgement.
You get to hate something! Hating stuff is fun as any member of WBC would tell you.

Cons:
Will lead to sad children. Your kids will question why everyone else is so much happier. This will also lead to what is nicknamed "sandbox hostility".
You don't get any of the christmas spirit.
You're sad because other people are happy in this pagan holiday.

not to be rude, but why do you guys hate christmas????? i mean it is to celebrate the birth of christ!!!! do you hate the birth of christ? and easter is the resurrection of christ. so i don't understand why you hate them. i understand why u hate halloween, because i don't like it either. but the rest.. well hate is a very strong word, and using it on the birth and resurrection of christ i just don't understand!!!!
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