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Thank you onfire247 and JDJDJD for taking the time to share your ideas. I tried accessing the verses through the verse sets page and clicked on learn (and yes, it made the news feed 😉). The verses did come up in order for visual review, but the only options were (if I remember correctly) to skip the verse, stop learning the verse, or reset the progress. There was no option to type/test as we can do in the verse progress section. I'm sure that I can come up with a way to remember - but thought that if there is a way to do it within the app, I'd try that first.
onfire247, you must have an amazing imagination to come up with all those associations! 😀 Sometimes I notice an association between a reference and a date or some other number and that does help. Thanks again!

To follow up on JDJDJD's comment, rvfc2, this is something that I myself do.

You can also tick the box that says "Test instead of Read". In that way the site will test you on all the verses in the set.

I do this because I want as often as possible to have a feel for individual verses in the bigger context of the passage, chapter, or book. Or perhaps I feel that I need for my own personal benefit or to address some weakness that I have, to meditate on a particular passage, etc. For those reasons, I sometimes do what JDJDJD described.

Of course, when particular verses are tested before they are due, then the progress of the percentage will be appropriately smaller. I might test at 100 percent on a particular verse, but if I am reviewing early, the progress might be anywhere from 0 to 4 percent.

Although I think that may also show up in the newsfeed that you’ve started learning that verse set 🤔😂

Rvfc2 I think it might work if you go to the list of verse sets that you are learning (on my iPad it’s top right of the screen right beside my name.) then click on the verse set you want to review. Then click the learn button at the bottom even though you already are learning it. It will take you through the verses in that set in order from the top. Hope that helps.

As far as I can see, each individual verse (or set of four verses) within a selection set has its own spaced repetition timer. I have been all through the site, and if there is a place to adjust those timers I cannot find it. What I do is link those verses together in my mind. For example, I kept getting Phil 4:13 and Phil 4:19 mixed up. So now, whenever either verse comes up, I say them both together. You can also try making a mental image of the verse and associating that image with the reference. For instance, with Phil 4:13 (I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me), you might imagine a musclebound Christ with bulging eyes (I) and no shirt on holding a golf club in one hand (fore!) and thirteen Pharisees in the other. Once you link that image to the verse, you'll remember it from then on. The more absurd or disgusting the image is, the more likely it is to stick in your brain. I still remember the Greek word pros (to, toward, or with) from years ago because I imagined a prostitute riding with me in a tow truck, and it stuck with me [don't judge, it worked!]. Emotions also makes things stick. I remember I struggled with the Hebrew word shalom (peace), and nothing I tried would make it stick. So the next time I saw the word and missed it, I said to myself "What are you, stupid? You have seen shalom 30 times and you still can't remember it?! You'll have no peace until you remember it. The next time you see shalom, you will remember it is peace!" And the next time I did.

Got a question, folks. Does anyone know if there is a way to group the verses in a selection set so that the verses come up for review and testing together (as in a passage)? I find it challenging to remember which verse is which and it seems like it might help keep the verses straight if they were all reviewed one after another. Thanks.

Yes, I agree with you on that. I hate it when you get a bad score because of typos, or something silly like that. I'm sorry that happened to your progress. :(

While I agree, the amount of mistakes is based upon the length of the verse. In another instance (John 4:26 "Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am he""), I messed up the beginning with something like "And Jesus answered her" with some other variation of the phrase [thanks, whoever translated John in the ESV for the multitude of variations on this phrase...]. This resulted in two yellows and one red for that section. Add in a couple of keyboard errors due to my fast typing speed, and the system dropped me 19%, effectively erasing three months of work because I had a bad day on that verse. While the Ezekiel example was understandable, the John verse felt like the punishment didn't fit the crime. If that had happened in Ezekiel 36:23, which is four lines long, however, I would have gotten 98%. This is certainly not a cut on the website. You have to base progress on something, and mistakes vs. number of words makes the most sense. I'll just be more careful on the shorter verses.

onfire247, that stinks, but also, I think it is a good thing that they do that. It gives you a chance to start over, and maybe do a better/more thorough job of learning it.....if that makes sense at all. :)

You can also lose progress on a verse. For example, this one day I was sick of forgetting the last two verses of Ezekiel 18, so I missed literally every word in those last two verses in disgust. Imagine my surprise when it took away all of my progress and reset it to zero. Of course, I didn't notice this until the next day when the bubbles reappeared on a verse I had been studying for the last month. Thankfully, it did not reset my streak, however.

Actually, the percentage seems to be based upon a set time interval. For example, imagine if you are studying John 1, and your best verse John 1:1 has a refresh of two months while your worst verse John 1:20 has a refresh of one month. Once you get past a certain point, it will combine all those verses together based upon your weakest verse (John 1:20 in this example). So, when John 1 shows up in a month, when you complete John 1:1, it will only be at half of the time of when it is actually due. So, as a result, you'll only get 3% to the total. I think this is why you can get 100% on a verse and still only get 2% progress.

also, when your progress on a verse is 40, instead of the progress going up 5%, It only goes to 4%.

I am a techie person, and it happens to me too when the computer is practically idle. At first I thought it was because I type too fast, but it happens when I type slow also. I don't see it very often, so I just either let it go or refresh it depending on how long the verse is and where I am at in it.

I try to type slower. It helps

Hey Susan_likes_Superbook-- that has happened to me on occasion. i have noticed that usually my computer is multitasking- like an update or scan starting in the background- i am not a techie person so maybe there is a better explanation. I just shrug my shoulders and give thanks and just keep swimming.

also, there is a glitch where the previous work goes onto the next place where you type the next word. but you can't see the word and when you press space it says its "wrong" but it isn't, the word accidently got transferred to the other space to type a word. (Sorry if you don't understand, I tried to say it best as I could)

Are you able to make profile pictures a feature? Just saying, and the default one would be the cross.

Thanks PeterP and onfire247 for your comments. I understand what the issue is and will proceed to ‘learn’ them anew. The first time I started learning those two verses they were presented as a combined verse and now in this passage set they’re treated individually. Oh well, it’s a wonderful site to use and I thank God for it. Blessings.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. For example, I created a verse set for James 1:5-8 and James 1:22-25, and studied them both for several days as sets. I wanted to have those four verses together, so I decided to do a "choose individual verses" option on both. On one of them, it acted like I had never seen the four verses before. On the other, it retained my learning from my previous repetitions. Either way, I'm not sure that there is a way to rectify it without delving into the code on the site. There's certainly no setting that I can see that affects it.

Symota, maybe you previously started those verses in a combined ‘verse’? In a ‘passage set’ the verses are always presented individually, but in a ‘selection set’ it is possible to present 2 or more consecutive verses together as a single ‘verse’ for memorisation purposes. If this is the case, the individual verses and the combined ‘verse’ will be treated independently in the stats with regard to percentage learned.

The verse set I’m currently learning includes 3 verses that I previously started learning from another verse set and that are still in my stats for learning as I haven’t yet reached 100%. However, two of those verses are not crediting my previous learning and have started me back at 0%. I’m wondering if there’s a way to rectify that?

Thanks for the feedback guys. It is clear to me that those who type one letter per word have an entirely different experience than those of us who type out the whole word.

onfire247, I have to offer a huge apology. I see now that this website does indeed do auto-correct. (I've been using the "type first letter" option for years now ... and there's no autocorrect with that option). I found that out by temporarily changing my preferences back to typing out the whole word.

Within the context of having to type out every word, yes, I can see why you would want an "extension" of the auto-correct. If you feel strongly about it, you could use the contact form and write to Luke more directly about it.

I'm going to continue to use the "type first letter" option. I like it because as it speeds things up, it's more like reciting verses, and enables me to review a much larger amount of material than otherwise would be possible.

I apologize for the several messages -- I will go back to my queue now :) and try to be silent.

Onfire247, have you tried the "type first letter" option? That option is available as I use my pc, when you look at "Preferences".

Typing only the first letter of each word certainly makes things go faster, and you *still* have to remember each and every word -- and you still have three hints to use --though it is of course possible in a small number of cases to get something right "by chance".

I should have said, my message below was in response to onfire247 :)

I don't ever experience *any* auto-correction on this site of any kind ... but I do my reviewing on a pc, not on a phone. Perhaps that takes place on a phone?

I understand the feeling and also the experience behind what you said below, but .... to me, memorizing means you just have to *remember* all of those repetitions of "And Jesus answered and said to them ..." I think, we will just have to agree to disagree, onfire :)

I’m pretty sure if you stop learning a verse, the day you started that verse goes back to showing that you didn’t start a verse on that day. But if you restart learning, it the day shows once again that you started a verse that day. That certainly applies if you stop learning a verse. Not sure if that’s the same as resetting the progress as I’ve never yet done that.

If you reset progress on a verse, does it affect your daily streak?

The same argument can be made against auto-correcting for spelling, unfortunately, which the site already does. I see it as an extension of the auto-correct. To be sure, I can use the hint button (and I do sometimes), but when you have 180 verses to review, it gets a bit tedious to hit a button several times for each verse. I'm not sure how you memorize, but after seven chapters of dialogue heavy John, it is getting a little old [Translation choices fault, not this website]. In my opinion, auto-corrections of this sort are not cheating because the way these phrases are presented does not add anything to the dialogue that comes afterward. Besides, if I wanted it too easy I would just refresh every verse until I got 100% on it.

In my opinion your suggestion would make things too easy. We are here to memorize, after all, and we already have three hints on each verse (or 2 or 1 on shorter ones) :)

No, just a suggestion. I've noticed that most of the mistakes I make revolve around the following four phrase variations: "Jesus said," "Jesus answered," "Jesus replied," and "Jesus then said" ("Jesus" can be replaced with whoever is talking in the narrative). Since most of these translation variations are interpretive choices of the same Greek word in the NT, I was going to suggest that the program autocorrect one phrase to the other automatically.

Not as far as I’m aware. This is the most likely place he’ll check. He’s a busy man though so I’m not sure how often he’s on here. Is there something someone else could help with?

Is there an official feedback group that Spookylukey looks at on here?

Susieq if you have not added any verses you want to learn, go to the bar at the top, click on "Choose" and start adding some. Then as joosep says, click on the "Learn" tab.

"After saving ..." Do you mean after saving a set of verses?

Did you click "Learn" at the bottom?

I have just signed up and filled in my preferences. After saving I can’t seem to get to the next oage

Also, you get points for reviewing. The more often you review, the more points you get. Especially in a shorter amount of time. Someone who checks the site twice a day will rack up points a lot slower than someone who is on 6 times a day. :D

I was trying to say, onfire247, that it's possible that one of those users you mentioned (though I can't say for sure) used to have more verses which they were reviewing, which perhaps they put on a "stop learning" status, perhaps to shorten their queue. That would cause their number of verses which they are currently learning to be reduced. But they still would keep the points for those verses which they have just stopped.

I can answer that in part. People get points for reviewing verses in their queues. I can't speak about others, but with respect to myself, I used to have a lot more verses in my queue, than I do now -- but I reset everything and decided to focus on a much smaller number of verses back in October 2019. Hence, I've got a lot of points, but only 5 finished. Resetting my verses didn't result in my losing any points.

Users also get point bonuses for various badges of course, and also, whenever a verse becomes fully learnt, there's also an extra bonus for that one verse that kicks in. There's also an extra bonus when reviewing whenever you get 100% correct.

I am not sure how the point system works on this site. Some people have really good stats but low points, while others have similar stats but high points. For example, AnnetteCN has 99m points with 2418 started and 1468 finished, while GSHd has 48m points with 1200 more started and 20 more learned. Seems to me that their point totals should be similar. Surely accuracy and achievement differences can't account for such a large point variance? I'm guessing that at some point the point tallying changed (which explains oddities like A1 being so high with such low activity).