Romans 5:15-19 are difficult for me because they are similar (but different). I found it helpful to read some commentaries on these verses - and then I reset a couple of them and am practicing them more frequently too. As for chapter 4, I don't have a good excuse. I think that remembering it long term will just require more attention than I have been giving it. Sometimes it seems as if the Lord uses that extra work to learn a verse well to teach me something that I need. Turns out to be a blessing. :-)
Yes, MrsSpooner, Romans 4 (and 5) have been really meaningful to me. I have been working on ch. 4 for awhile now and have had a tough time remembering it now that there is a longer time between testings. Yesterday I reset the progress on a few verses and rearranged some of the sections so as to get more frequent testings again and I guess my new "start" made the news. ;)
Yes, MrsSpooner, Romans 4 (and 5) have been really meaningful to me. I have been working on ch. 4 for awhile now and have had a tough time remembering it now that there is a longer time between testings. Yesterday I reset the progress on a few verses and rearranged some of the sections so as to get more frequent testings again and I guess my new "start" made the news. ;)
Romans 5:15-19 are difficult for me because they are similar (but different). I found it helpful to read some commentaries on these verses - and then I reset a couple of them and am practicing them more frequently too. As for chapter 4, I don't have a good excuse. I think that remembering it long term will just require more attention than I have been giving it. Sometimes it seems as if the Lord uses that extra work to learn a verse well to teach me something that I need. Turns out to be a blessing. :-)
Those five verses you've mentioned have also been problematic for me, rvfc2.
Thank you for that tip, as to reading commentaries on the verses themselves. Good idea!
One thing I tried was creating invididual verse sets, such as Romans 5:15-18, then perhaps Romans 5:16-19, Romans 5:17-20 (when you create "individual" verses for review, you can include up to four verses in that "individual" verse).
Using that method those five verses come up for my review more often.
The old fashioned method of simply reading them out loud every day for perhaps ten days in a row will also do the trick ... but do we have the patience to be so old fashioned these days? (I ask this pointing the finger squarely at myself)
I did this with Galatians 5. Before even adding them here at LS dot net, I read them aloud for ten days in a row. Then when I did add them, they just sailed along. Now that they are more mature, there are a few which are becoming a bit difficult, but I guess I'll just have to go back and read them aloud again, maybe for five days in a row this time ... I hope all this helps someone :)
What you call old fashioned, Joosep, I call effective. ;) It is how I have memorized for many years. I like using this app, too. It keeps me practicing during the day. If I'm memorizing from my Bible I usually just do it as a part of devotional time.
Thanks for your idea of setting up individual verse sets of the challenging passages. I'm looking forward to trying it.
I agree ... it is indeed effective. I'm going to make it my aim to do that more in the future, "prepping" the verses before adding them, by reading them aloud for several days.
I agree ... it is indeed effective. I'm going to make it my aim to do that more in the future, "prepping" the verses before adding them, by reading them aloud for several days.
If you want to reset your progress without losing your streak, you can just do really bad on a verse. Like literally miss every word, and it'll reset your progress back significantly. I went from three months to 20 hours doing that once. Of course, that was on accident because I was frustrated with a verse, but I digress.
It would be nice if we could control the intervals. The early intervals are great, but once it gets out past a month they get too long when you are doing a chapter. Glad I'm not the only one struggling with that.
I also agree that it is difficult to memorize verses that sound similar. John 6-8 is really bad about that, but the OT is the worst. Try memorizing Ezekiel 18:23-32 without pulling your hair out! Great verse set though.
I've done that too, onfire ... at first unintentionally, but then several times also intentionally, I mean, trying to reduce 75% down to 25% or something like that ... yes, it would be awesome if we could control the intervals "at will".
Regarding intervals, if you do ‘test instead of read’ for a whole chapter, you get to retest everything at the interval that is set for the weakest verse in the chapter, which works well for me. But it does come with the disadvantage that you can all-too-easily unlearn a verse that previously got to 100%. But I suppose that is fair too, if I don’t really remember it properly!
yes, good point, PeterP. In that scenario, if you score 100% on a verse, the progress might be only 4, 3, 2, or 1 percent, depending on that verse's proportional relationship with the weakest verse.
Thanks for the tips on getting on with Romans 5 verses better. Am definitely going to try the small group tip from joosep. I also plan to listen to some sermons over Easter on it, to make them more pertinent. Martin Lloyd-Jones www.mljtrust.org has many amazing sermons online.
Joosep, I just started an individual verse set and really liked the continuity of having 4 verses together. Thanks for the idea - I expect to use this method often.
Onfire247, I have used that method for lowering the progress level (sometimes intentionally, sometimes not). It works well when I'm at 97-99% and know that I don't want to finish the verse yet - just back off a bit.
PeterP, I always do "test instead of read" and find it helpful both for review and continuity when reciting a passage.
MrsSpooner, I also like to listen to sermons on specific passages that I am learning or thinking about. Sermon Audio has many sermons that can be chosen by scripture reference, as well as by speaker or topic.
These are all helpful ideas. Thank you all for sharing. Another method I use sometimes when hitting a rough patch is to simply go to verse progress, choose a verse, and then choose to practice the verse or section or passage. You don't earn points or badge levels, but you can practice the passage by testing.
You're welcome rvfc2. I'll just share one more thing, if it's helpful to anyone. For verses 17, 18, and 19 of Romans 5, I use acronyms to memorize the first four words of each verse -- especially because the first four words were at first the ones I was most often getting wrong.
17 FIBT (I remember "fib", a white lie). 18 STAT (I remember "stat", as used in a hospital) 19 FATT (I remember "fat", a condition which afflicts many of us) (smile)
Using these has helped me with these verses a lot. However, these acronyms are specifically for the NASV ... if you're using the ESV, perhaps you'l have to make your own acronyms :)
You're welcome rvfc2. I'll just share one more thing, if it's helpful to anyone. For verses 17, 18, and 19 of Romans 5, I use acronyms to memorize the first four words of each verse -- especially because the first four words were at first the ones I was most often getting wrong.
17 FIBT (I remember "fib", a white lie). 18 STAT (I remember "stat", as used in a hospital) 19 FATT (I remember "fat", a condition which afflicts many of us) (smile)
Using these has helped me with these verses a lot. However, these acronyms are specifically for the NASV ... if you're using the ESV, perhaps you'l have to make your own acronyms :)
Thanks for all the helpful comments. It’s amazing how much I don’t know yet about this site! Lots of good ideas in there. One other idea which hasn’t been mentioned is that I like to fall asleep listening over and over again to a passage that I’m learning. Sometimes I set a book of the Bible to just read over and over. Like John’s gospel currently.
Symota, I think I was mistaken about being able to continue practicing a verse that has been "Fully Learnt." I also clicked on "Fully Learnt" a couple of times when first finishing some verses, but yesterday when Col. 1 came up for review it started at verse 2 (verse 1 having been fully learnt). I couldn't find any way to test on verse 1 and then have the option to click Review in 12 months. The only way that I could find to keep it in the review list would be to reset the progress. I have done this a few times when I thought that a verse needed considerable more work. The progress returns to 0% and if the verse had been Fully Leart it is removed from your total (presumably to be put back next time it is Fully Learnt). This is the first time this has happened to me, so I'm not sure how the app presents the verses for review when the completed verses are in the middle of the passage - are they still skipped or are they included to maintain continuity?
Symota, I think that if you are still reviewing other verses in the passage your finished verse is in, you will be able to test on it again and click "Review in 12 Months" at that time. Congratulations on reaching that milestone!
Congratulations, Luli! May God bless you and may the Holy Spirit teach you and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever He has taught you in your study. :)
I prefer passages, myself - most of the time, for context. But once in a while I want to focus on a subject such as God's mercy, etc. Thanks for all your input.
joosep, I do this too when testing a passage, but when wanting to practice several verses in a selection set I haven't found a way to bring them up for testing together. For instance, I have been learning 7 Beatitudes of Revelation. I can see them in order in the Verse Sets when I bring them up as JDJDJD said, but didn't find an option there for testing. In Verse Progress, I can bring each verse up individually by reference for testing, but can't test all 7 together as would be possible if they were a continuous passage.
Thank you onfire247 and JDJDJD for taking the time to share your ideas. I tried accessing the verses through the verse sets page and clicked on learn (and yes, it made the news feed 😉). The verses did come up in order for visual review, but the only options were (if I remember correctly) to skip the verse, stop learning the verse, or reset the progress. There was no option to type/test as we can do in the verse progress section. I'm sure that I can come up with a way to remember - but thought that if there is a way to do it within the app, I'd try that first. onfire247, you must have an amazing imagination to come up with all those associations! 😀 Sometimes I notice an association between a reference and a date or some other number and that does help. Thanks again!
Got a question, folks. Does anyone know if there is a way to group the verses in a selection set so that the verses come up for review and testing together (as in a passage)? I find it challenging to remember which verse is which and it seems like it might help keep the verses straight if they were all reviewed one after another. Thanks.
...hopefully keep the verses "in the system." Most of my finished verses are parts of chapters that are only partially learned so they will continue to show up for review for weeks or months to come. I need that. ;)
I agree, nice going, and keep doing what you're doing! I have a question, rvfc2, if I may: when you reach 100% on a verse, do you click "Fully Learnt" or "Review Again In 12 Months" (if I'm remembering correctly what the buttons say)
...hopefully keep the verses "in the system." Most of my finished verses are parts of chapters that are only partially learned so they will continue to show up for review for weeks or months to come. I need that. ;)
Thanks to each of you. Those "finished" verses pop up every once-in-a-while now. They don't always feel "finished" so I'm glad that they will keep coming up for review along with the rest of the passages that they are contained in. ;-)
Thanks to each of you. Those "finished" verses pop up every once-in-a-while now. They don't always feel "finished" so I'm glad that they will keep coming up for review along with the rest of the passages that they are contained in. ;-)